Sbc Backfire Through Carb

The main problem comes from their setup. If its still giving trouble, you might need to give the carb a good cleaning, which mostly sucks so because I'm lazy I'd try to run some barryman's b12 through it and see if that fixes it first. So I took a screwdriver and hit the side of the carb a few times to see if something was stuck inside the carb causing this gas leakage and after wacking it a few time the gas stopped running. Then reinstall it being careful not to over tighten it. If you gently apply throttle it will rev fine if a little slow. if the backfire is out the exhaust or through the intake. It is very common for a backfire through the carb when the accelerator pump is not working causing a lean mixture. I tried to restart the engine, it turn over OK on the starter but did not start but backfired through the carburetor/air cleaner. dont think it went to engines that new but possible. Idle speed is excessive. When at a stop engine will randomly (foot OFF pedal, clutch not engaged) rev and fall (no tach but guess 500+ RPM. I can get 20" hg at idle, steady gauge with no fluctuation. My 40 has a 78 350 installed. I remove distributor cap and see some tracking. Replied by wysetech on topic backfiring with flame through throttle body First thing I would do is check the firing order clockwise from # 1 cylinder at TDC. I can accelerate from a dead stop just fine, doesnt seem to be a problem. 72 302 wont start, but backfires through carb my 302 ran before i pulled the pan to replace the rear main seal. Take the money you save by not having to buy a carb and throw it into a 3. org members. I have checked for spark and there is spark. hey Austin, i'm the FNG on the forum. How to Fix Engine Backfires Does your engine back fire and you are wondering why? We are a group of ASE certified mechanics that have created this guide to help you save money by fixing your car yourself or to see what you are paying for when taking it in for repairs. It wasnt backfiring before I messed with it so idk what is going on. The best blow-through carb on the market is absolutely useless with a bad carb hat on top of it. Spitting/Coughing through the carb (as you describe) is most often ignition or valves. Check your vacuum plugs, and base of carb. By: The Vortech boosted Big Block Chevy has pushed this Ford down the 1/8th mile at a record-setting pace of 3. I am running Autolite 3077 plug and have read some reports about retarding the spark and have tried that. It only does this at WOT, if I throttle back some, I am still up on plane, and the backfiring and bogging stops, so I don't think it is the lifters again. Replaced it, and began to get a backfire through the TBI ONLY under load and in closed loop. Single cylinder Rochester Carb. The engine is installed and the timing is roughed in with the vac advance blocked off. Rochester Type Carb For 1970-80 Chevy 350 400 Engine Carter Carburetor 2 Barrel Trending at $204. December 8, 2016 and we sometimes get a commission through purchases made through our links. I don't want to be a pessimist but I had/have a similar problem. I have spark, i have compression and i have fuel, what the hells wrong. When the engine was started again, it backfired constantly through the exhaust. Carburetor cleaner sprayed around the intake and carburetor flanges do not seem to affect the backfire. My car constantly backfires through the carb when I give it a quick shot of gas or in the higher RPM's. I run a Rochester 2 barrel carb. I have a eladan with a 454 chevy engine, seems to run fine in cold weather, but in warm weather will run for 10 to 20 miles before engine stalls, seems to be out of gas, let it cool off and it will run again. Backfires can cause it to rip. So, how to deal with it. 4) Repair as necessary. This article contains the step by step, detailed procedure for synchronizing dual carburetors on an aircooled VW engine. The symptoms were always the same. when idling the engine down, or after the engine has been shut off. I tried to restart the engine, it turn over OK on the starter but did not start but backfired through the carburetor/air cleaner. CONGRATULATIONS on your purchase of a Holley® carburetor! We feel that you have purchased the finest performance carburetor manufactured today. How to Fix Engine Backfires Does your engine back fire and you are wondering why? We are a group of ASE certified mechanics that have created this guide to help you save money by fixing your car yourself or to see what you are paying for when taking it in for repairs. It pops through carb when giving it more throttle this is my problem timing checks out, firing order is good,new cap and rotor plus wires plus compression is good this engine has 2 vacumn lines and both are new. From reading here I have learning that this is more of a mis-fire and the backfiring is actually a lean mixture condition. (Backfire through carb and spit all over). Hot Rod Garden Tractor Pullers Association (Reorganized). It will backfire ait has a brand new carburetor. Do not depend on the factory delivered settings. 4) No power or heat source to choke. Hello,A worn out camshaft will cause continual backfire,especially if it is a worn exh. Re: Backfiring through carb, what could be causing this?? Knowing how to read a spark plug is the first step before anything else. When I put it in gear, there is hardly enough power to get on plane and the boat backfires intermitantly. Increase in airflow with no increase in fuel flow will cause a lean backfire. Why does my chevy 350 backfire through the carb? I have a chevy 350 with edelbrock carb and intake manifold, it also has headers. a sliped dizy due to a loose hold down bolt. Backfiring through the carb is a sign of too lean mixture from either a vacuum leak or mixture. An intake backfire is usually cause by having the ignition timing too far advanced,or a lean fuel mixture. I can accelerate nicely from a low RPM to cruising speed if I do it very slowly. my next step is to change the intake/exhaust gasket. 355 SBC w/ Vortec Heads & Performer RPM Air GAP feels like it wants to backfire through the carb or it does. If you have a Chevy 350, then consider investing in a good carburetor. Section four is a troubleshooting matrix that I have found to be very useful. Carburetor Hats. TH400, and a ford 9" in the rear. Also muffler pressure can still be pushing fuel through. Me showing a issue with the stock carburetor. Rough idle, low power on acceleration, backfire on acceleration along with black smoke, hesitation Out of the blue the 75 FJ40 started this behavior after starting it up two days ago. There is no backfire through the carburetor. Incorrect timing can lead to the fuel being ignited before the manifold intake valve closes, causing a backfire through the carburetor or exhaust. Login with Google Login with Facebook. I always heard that if the backfire was out the exhaust it was ignition and through the carb it was valves. backfiring through the carb means that your intake valves are open when your plugs are firing or you've got a hotspot in your combustion chamber (like a sharp corner or bit of metal sticking out on the head) or the fuel mixture is detonating in the intake manifold - this might happen if for some reason your engine is passing a LOT of heat to the intake manifold. I recently bought a 1986 Chevy Truck from a buddy, it has a 383 stroker motor with a Edelbrock manifold and a Edelbrock 1400 carb. A lot of times it is caused by the timing being too far. The other day while using the mower the engine suddenly stopped, no noise no indication before that anything was wrong. When I put it in gear, there is hardly enough power to get on plane and the boat backfires intermitantly. Look for a vacuum leak. When I first start the motor and let it warm up to running temp. they are solid lifters as far as i know. While the boat is in neutral, I can rev the engine up to 5-6000 Rpm, sounds perfect. The problem is sporadic and not consistent, yet it seems to get worse in wet weather. Backfiring out both cylinder banks at idle and low load. (Backfire through carb and spit all over). org members. With multi-port EFI, each cylinder has its own separate injector and fuel is sprayed directly into the intake ports in the cylinder head. But it sounds like a vacuum leak. As you all may remember, the engine is the original 250 straight 6. Re: 1988 Chevy 454 backfires: BUBBA THE BUS TECH: 1-14-08 : Check for vacume leak on one side of carb causing lean condition or dead lung. the car is running a Carter RAKX-O carburetor it runs great round town or under verying load, but under a constant up hill load I can field the power drop off and she starts to spit and backfire through carb. Enough commentary So if you want to cut and paste the Chevy Small Block and Big Block Firing order it is 1-8-4-3-6-5-7-2. Why I think it could be the cam- back in the 80's every 327, 307, 350, 305 we knew of or touched ate a cam. originally posted by 64 [email protected] 5 2009, 11:28 am~12914254 i got a chevy 350 with edelbrock intake holly carb,, wen i push on gas to a higher rpm then it starts to do the popping sound threw my carb, is this caused by 1 of my lobes worn out on my cam shaft??. you did't specify if it is carburetor or fuel injection. That's why I suspected fuel pressure or bad fuel. Hot Rod Garden Tractor Pullers Association (Reorganized). hey Austin, i'm the FNG on the forum. I had a 90 454SS pick-up that had the same problem, backfire through the TB and poor running condition. Starts and runs fine, but when under a load or accelerating hard above 2000 rpm it starts backfiring through carb? What is the cause? And cheapest and easiest solution?. Two-stroke engines which use crankcase compression do not require a crankcase ventilation system, since all of the gases within the crankcase are then fed into the combustion chamber. 5 inches of Hg) where the spring overpowers the vacuum, opening the valve. Run the engine at 1000 RPM & look for 18-21 inches of vacuum with a steady needle. Possibly damaged by a backfire condition. I have a 1994 Chevy S10 Blazer and after a trip i arrived back home and casually turned it off. I have check for codes with a computer no codes. I am getting a sag when I accelerate. I have checked for spark and there is spark. Sputtering Backfire - Chevy S10 with a Blazer 4. BACKFIRING. After all the hands that have been in there it's possible some plug wires got crossed. I get backfire so that tells me I must be getting some sort of spark. it has a rebuilt gm goodwrench performance 350. A lean fuel condition can also cause backfiring on acceleration. The backfire is through the exhaust not the carb and happen when the throttle is opened up from idle (roughy 800 rpms) This started to happen after I changed the plugs, plug wires and removed the header to get the plugs. The timing can go out if the woodruff key comes out of place or is sheared off or has dislodged or slipped. Carburetor cleaner sprayed around the intake and carburetor flanges do not seem to affect the backfire. Check them before the carb is installed. Engine will not idle. The PV is inside the primary fuel bowl and requires disassembly of the carb for replacement. Re: Engine Running Rough and Backfiring Normally, spitting out the carb is said to be due to a lean mixture and popping out the exhaust takes place when the mixture is too rich. I asked about this earlier here and was advised to move the dist over 1 tooth, but it only goes in 2 spots 180 apart. so now i shut my elec fuel pump off and let the car run til the carb is dry and the motor shuts off. For engines to run efficiently, the spark plugs have to ignite the air and fuel at the right time. The main problem comes from their setup. You may have to register before you can post: click the register link above to proceed. The carburetor regulates the flow of fuel and air to an engine. Unlikely a dirty throttle body at only 17,000 miles, however it is something I clean annually. He said it was starting like timing too advanced but would fire up. i have spark and gas but it backfires through carb and wont turn over. It also fas a tad bit of hesitation off idle. New rebuilt Chevy 350 turns over but it will not start. rough idle could be the egr valve plugged up. After that the motor will backfire through the carb. My engine is running great now. no more popping on cold starts. By: The Vortech boosted Big Block Chevy has pushed this Ford down the 1/8th mile at a record-setting pace of 3. A fuel level fluctuation could cause both problems. they have the screw stud with lock nut. Thread: 350 backfires through carb Tweet submit. It sounds very much (from your description) like an old Chevy I once owned. Please advise me on what the real symptoms of lean vs rich system is. The problem is sporadic and not consistent, yet it seems to get worse in wet weather. Usually the backfiring is more severe under hard acceleration when the carburetor is lean due to fuel supply. This motor is in a 1979 nova and ran well before. And please describe what your mean by revving it. It wasnt backfiring before I messed with it so idk what is going on. As the engine runs leaner or if there is less time for the fuel to burn in the combustion chamber, there is a tendency for incomplete combustion. Driving "normally", it ran just fine. '98 Tahoe 5. Backfiring is typically a too-rich condition. Our commitment to providing the best parts at the best prices is topped only by our dedication to providing the very best service to our clients. A faulty ignition system is a possible cause of a engine backfire. When it gets worse it will run on two cylinders all the time. The Jet ski Carb for the 550 Jet Ski is a Mikuni 38 mm Carburetor. I thought the problem might be not enough timing? If I'm at a higher rpm[3500 to 4000] and get into it the backfire does not occur. remove valve covers. with no load in nuetral?? im thinkin cam i had this happen 5 and 7 i think get a little less oil than every body else. finally deduced the fuel pump was bad, no fuel to carb. You'll need to take the carb apart and look for contaminants. Use a vacuum gauge connected to any convenient spot on the intake manifold. My 94 Astra is backfiring through the carb and won't start? In the last few days I have had intermittent problems with the car losing power, but now it just stopped and when i try to start it it is just backfiring through the carb. - Then - there is that big block engine, especially Chevy, age old problem - a camshaft that has lost a lobe. Carburetor Hats. Incorrect timing can lead to the fuel being ignited before the manifold intake valve closes, causing a backfire through the carburetor or exhaust. Had a somewhat similar situation with one of my Crusader 350's backfiring out the exhaust- it was the ditributor cap. I just reinserted the push rod and made sure that it was functioning and tightened everything down. Re: 454 crusader backfires thru carb at wot Place your fingers in the carb while running the engine to see if the conditions stops, if it does the float height for that carb may not be right causing a lean condition. Our commitment to providing the best parts at the best prices is topped only by our dedication to providing the very best service to our clients. I Looked under the hook and decided it must have been another backfire. Reader Question. 4150 top included however l have a 4500 top as well not included (used). the car is running a Carter RAKX-O carburetor it runs great round town or under verying load, but under a constant up hill load I can field the power drop off and she starts to spit and backfire through carb. I have check for codes with a computer no codes. It is very common for a backfire through the carb when the accelerator pump is not working causing a lean mixture. And please describe what your mean by revving it. As in, I'm on the highway for awhile, when I let off to slow down for some reason, like to get off at a ramp when it drops from 65-70 to around 45 or so it goes KABOOM. The car prior to the carb being rebuilt was running rich and after the rebuild seemed better but then starting running rich again. If you must go up or down 8–10 jet sizes then you have. Installed new mechanical fuel pump, now gas to carb. Hesitation under heavy throttle: Deadspot & stumble. Carburetor cleaner sprayed around the intake and carburetor flanges do not seem to affect the backfire. Undriveable. Threads Tagged with backfiring. unplug distributor power wire and have someone turn it over for ya. Congratulations to ThirdGen. Many modern vehicles have eliminated carburetors in favor of direct fuel injection controlled by a computer. It is also commonly caused by the accelerator pump inthe carb not squirting enough fuel before the main jets start working. I'm trying to start the engine and it keeps backfiring through the carb, and then I get flame on top of the carb. Congratulations to ThirdGen. Recently when running at moderate rpm, say 2000, engine is warm, when I put my foot into it the engine will sneeze through the carb. 1 that is backfiring into the intake. Engine turns over and backfires, but won't start I have a question about the engine in my car. First, check that the mixture screw(s) on the carburetor are adjusted properly. Sticking valves: If a intake valve is bent, has a bad spring or is misadjusted, the engine will sometimes backfire through the intake. rough idle could be the egr valve plugged up. We carry carburetor kits for all Rochester 2 Jet, 2G, 2GC & 2GV carburetor types. Backfiring is typically a too-rich condition. New Eldebroke Carburator in place carb is spitting out. The Jeep Technical Service Manual recommends that, when you do this, you cover the air cleaner with a piece of plexiglass since the engine can backfire through the carb and a flame can shoot out. My pickup is acting up. Increase in airflow with no increase in fuel flow will cause a lean backfire. Ok I though backfiring was unburn fuel being ignited in the hot exhaust as a result of the mixture being too lean. The boat starts and idles fine. Third Generation F-Body Message Boards. This build-up restricts the flow of air through the intake system, potentially leading a loss of efficiency and performance. My 350 carbureted engine in my '65 C10 is backfiring. Don't get the carb cleaner on you. have done at least 20 cams on. Running fine, then backfiring through the carb and got far worse within 100 miles. This means that if you have to consider using a 4150-style carb it is at the upper limit of airflow for the carb design. A backfire is a sign that your car isn't running efficiently and needs to be addressed in short order. I Looked under the hook and decided it must have been another backfire. So I set it to 10 and then adjusted the idle mixture screws until I got highest. I'mpretty sure Tim's is a throttle body injection like mine. Chevy S10 Blazer Engine Won’t Start – Turns Over But Won’t Ignite. I like to get my propane torch out and use the propane to richen the mix up a bit when you put the un lit torch nearthe leak. it backfires real bad (and fast) when driven, hopefully i havn't broken anything yet. Troubleshooting - backfire through carburetor. Its raining will have to wait till tomorrow for compression checks. Found the CTS to be bad. Only happened once when not towing and I do not feel a power loss before it happens. Turned out to be a cracked reluctor ring in the disrtibutor, it's the peace in the distributor that is pressed onto the shaft with 8 triangular shaped fingers on it with a magnetic pick-up coil. Re: exhaust backfire and fuel mist out carb Aug 15 2011, 11:10pm Okay guys I took my dizzy out turned it 180 and it would not even start. This can occur due to a faulty intake valve or intake manifold that's causing extra air to leak into the system. A friend brought me his small block powered car when his mechanic couldn't figure out what was wrong with it. Backfire through exhaust - posted in Second Generation Pontiac Firebird (1970 - 1981): Hello all! Am new to the forum and have a few questions. i have looked straight down the carb to watch the accel. Bring #1 to top dead center and then very the valves are close the rotor should point to the wire going to #1, Insure the firing order is correct 1. Backfires can be hard to diagnose. Backfire through the Carburetor. These look like a carb but are far from it. Started and at Idle would have one single backfire through carb every 1-2 seconds at Idle. New Eldebroke Carburator in place carb is spitting out. Spitting/Coughing through the carb (as you describe) is most often ignition or valves. Some people do not run a power valve at all, and jet up the carburetor to compensate for not having the additional fuel available at WOT that the PV would normally provide. Re: Intake backfire What actually happened to my engine when it done this was a valve push rod came unseated and was laying inside the valve cover. oh i forgot to mention it has new plugs also any ideas on this matter?. It's about 2-3 inches BTDC. Carburetor Troubleshooting Guide. if the backfire is out the exhaust or through the intake. 4) Repair as necessary. The Operation of THE GASOLINE VAPOR MAKER. The fuel pump is not coming on when I first turn the key on. Sputtering Backfire - Chevy S10 with a Blazer 4. It's easy to get the timing off during a rebuild and get some backfires. I attempted to start it several times as it backfires back through the. His father started adjusting the carb some. The fuel system is ok, carburetor rebuilt, new fuel pump, etc. Threads Tagged with backfiring. So I finally went out and bought a holley700 carb supercharger specific. Troubleshooting a Backfiring Exhaust on a 350 Cubic Engine. Backfire is caused by combustion in the intake manifold. It has been giving me so much trouble backfiring through the carb. I had to replace the exhaust manifold gaskets along with rebuilding the carb. The one barrel carb on the 6 cylinder engine on my Edsel keeps backfiring unless I pull out the manual choke a little. Alternatives. I like to get my propane torch out and use the propane to richen the mix up a bit when you put the un lit torch nearthe leak. I did get it to stop. My 70 El Camino started backfiring quite badly through the carb with a ball of flame coming out. one little pin hole in those causes untold grief, and still visibly look like its getting good pump shot. Replied by wysetech on topic backfiring with flame through throttle body First thing I would do is check the firing order clockwise from # 1 cylinder at TDC. Sometimes, locating the source won't take you much time, other times it can prove difficult. I'd be cruising on the highway and step on it and it would cough and sputter and then clear up. Signal Strength: How to Make your Carb Blower Friendly. Second, If you can still get it to run/idle, disable plug wires one at a time to see if you can make the backfires stop. So I set it to 10 and then adjusted the idle mixture screws until I got highest. Engines, Motors, Fuel Tanks, and more. Almost all backfire situations will have other symptoms attached to them such as a Check Engine Light illuminated. No one has had access to it but me. Backfires are always accompanied by a loud, popping sound and many a times with a visible flame, referred to as the after-fire. It has been giving me so much trouble backfiring through the carb. I added some newer fuel and added a gauge to check fuel pressure and it's good. I think it may be ignition, timing, or carburetor related. Now I realized that it is backfiring out of the intake manifold. i have looked straight down the carb to watch the accel. Intake gasket leak?????. My 70 El Camino started backfiring quite badly through the carb with a ball of flame coming out. 1 that is backfiring into the intake. how do i check to see if the vaccum advance is working properly? i want to check all the possiblitys it could be before i go and tear down the carb and rebuild it. It's got no power. Typically backfiring isn't caused by a carb problem as much as by a vacuum leak as indicated or ignition timing or valve lash being too tight. Backfires through the intake. Backfire through exhaust - posted in Second Generation Pontiac Firebird (1970 - 1981): Hello all! Am new to the forum and have a few questions. Problem: Engine is backfiring through the carburetor. Check all connections that might have vacuum. Heard a pop/thump once every week or 2. Re: 454 crusader backfires thru carb at wot Place your fingers in the carb while running the engine to see if the conditions stops, if it does the float height for that carb may not be right causing a lean condition. My son, who is a mechanic puzzled over it for a while and took it to a friends placec to check it out. I even removed a valve cover to make sure my rotor was hitting the dist cap at the right spot. The only time I have had a small block backfire and or shoot flames out of the carb was when the timming was way off. Here is a standard Holley power valve. I have a 1994 Chevy S10 Blazer and after a trip i arrived back home and casually turned it off. Don't get the carb cleaner on you. why? Post by c4mo » Thu Dec 29, 2011 11:59 pm I recently put together a sbc, in which I am having a problem with the engine wanting to back fire through the carb right before it starts. The carb has been running rich it seemed lately as there is a lot of carbon coming out of the tail pipe. A backfire is a sign that your car isn't running efficiently and needs to be addressed in short order. I have 1980 firebird with a pretty stout Chevy 383. It wasn't clear to me from the original description. A lot of times it is caused by the timing being too far. I would check any accelerator pump for proper operation, due to it being on acceleration only. was created by syllinx22 I have an issue with my truck that has been happeing over a year now and it will not throw a code. Centrifugal superchargers are very popular and effective power-adders for drag racing due to the linear power bands they produce and the quick throttle response of a mechanical drive. Carburetor tuning. A burned intake valve will cause a carb backfire. The thing is a DOG. His father started adjusting the carb some. Section two is a parts diagram of Carter/Edelbrock 4 -barrel carbs. My pickup is acting up. These are most of the specs: Carburetor from 1975 Oldsmobile Cutlass 455 M4MC Rochester Quadrajet 7045183 Following cliffs book here are carb adjustments Idle tubes 1. For that period it was GM's answer to a carb and I think they worked better than a carb, but they came with their own problems. The fault is similar to the one shown by a carburetor with a faulty accelerator pump. When it gets worse it will run on two cylinders all the time. I thought the problem might be not enough timing? If I'm at a higher rpm[3500 to 4000] and get into it the backfire does not occur. Re: 454 crusader backfires thru carb at wot Place your fingers in the carb while running the engine to see if the conditions stops, if it does the float height for that carb may not be right causing a lean condition. I have check for codes with a computer no codes. That's why I suspected fuel pressure or bad fuel. After all the hands that have been in there it's possible some plug wires got crossed. Hello,A worn out camshaft will cause continual backfire,especially if it is a worn exh. you did't specify if it is carburetor or fuel injection. I had to replace the exhaust manifold gaskets along with rebuilding the carb. The best blow-through carb on the market is absolutely useless with a bad carb hat on top of it. Could be a carb problem or a bad vacuum leak. December 8, 2016 and we sometimes get a commission through purchases made through our links. The carb has been running rich it seemed lately as there is a lot of carbon coming out of the tail pipe. But since most of those guys are out wheeling while im stuck in my office today, see if this helps. Afterfire occurs after the engine has been shut off. remove valve covers. 350 backfires through carb Hope somebody can help!Just rebuilt a 1972 chevy 350 with a new crankshaft,edelbrock torquer plus cam,torker manifold,holley carb, Money Making - Chevy 350 TBI - HEI Distributor Problem - Aftermarket Junk Distributor! - howto-make. '98 Tahoe 5. POOR RUNNING QUALITY DOES NOT MEAN A DEFECT IN THE CARBURETOR. While this carb is clearly in need of a rebuild and thorough cleaning, we grabbed it to detail the process modifying for draw-through applications. The Jeep Technical Service Manual recommends that, when you do this, you cover the air cleaner with a piece of plexiglass since the engine can backfire through the carb and a flame can shoot out. I can get 20" hg at idle, steady gauge with no fluctuation. C3 Tech/Performance - Backfiring through carb - I have a 1977 vette that I inherited from my uncle. The carb I am using is a NOS Holley 9834-1 Here is what happens: Car starts fine hot or cold. Kawasaki Jet Ski Carburetor Issues. We usually refer to an exhaust backfire as a "backfire", and backfiring through the carb as "spitting" or "coughing". There is no backfire through the carburetor. I cleaned up the points and have it set at 18 thousand. The fuel system is ok, carburetor rebuilt, new fuel pump, etc. how do i check to see if the vaccum advance is working properly? i want to check all the possiblitys it could be before i go and tear down the carb and rebuild it. And please describe what your mean by revving it. i had to prime the oil pump and re stab the dizzy before trying to start it. Causes of afterfire, and how to fix them. I just started driving this set-up and have run maybe three tanks of fuel through it.